(07-14-2018, 08:46 AM)Have at ye Wrote: Yeah, most PUA aficionados have a background in marketing, as far as I can tell - especially those *selling* it.
I'm not saying these methods are not effective means of persuasion, but let me tell you - nobody likes being played or gamed, especially when they can see - plain as day - that they are being played or gamed. And attractive women, at least those who are not total morons, utter damage cases or very young and sheltered, can tell. They play this game all the time; you're trying to outgame them at what is, in essence, their behavioral survival mechanism.
I learned this, as per the usual, the hard way - as in, getting gamed until a point where I decided *no more*.
I now have a so called "bitch-shield", too, because of all that, lol.
EDIT
What I'd like to say is this - persuasion, when it's healthy and for the mutual benefit of both parties involved, is fine. Using persuasive tools to, in fact, CON someone, is not.
There is a very good book called 'Forbidden keys to Persuasion' from Blair Warren that spend the first chapter to eloquently convince you that essentially everyone spend their whole life influencing others.
The sooner you accept that truth, the better you will be. There is nothing bad in influencing others.
So we agree on this. Persuasion isn't bad. Only the intent behind it can be. ie: Insurance salesman desiring selling a good product for a prospect vs a cult leader leading his followers to bad actions
As you said, people will resist persuasion when they see it. This is bad persuasion.
A successful persuasion is the one where people think that it is their own idea.