(08-07-2018, 04:47 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: I agree with Dark Plouf. Once I started having fast sexual encounters, my reality of what is possible changed forever. But before those experiences I assumed everything was just a certain way. No fear involved.

Quote:Are we really here for "realistic?" The whole point of Shannon choosing a goal like DMSI has is to push the boundaries of what's achievable with subliminals. To some, listening to an ultrasonic track - with no consciously discernible words - that gives them sudden relief from a debilitating tendency to put everything off to mañana would be "unrealistic."

Quote:Really, what you're doing, Plouf, is giving reason(s) you haven't executed DMSI, and are projecting it on everyone here, like "It's an 'unrealistic' goal." It's a challenging goal, to be sure, but as Shannon has shown us again and again with myriad subs and success stories for a plethora of people from different backgrounds, an open mind about what's possible would serve everyone here much better. Certainly much better than "reasons" why something cannot be done.

Quote:What CatMan is saying, that I have also said a few times before is that, for some people (the hard cases, so), the goal of DMSI is too much of a leap.

Quote:The point of CM is that for some people, going from A (I suck so bad with women) to Z (I have an abundant sexual life) is so far out of touch

Quote:EDIT: Furthermore, regarding "incremental experiences," - if that were necessary to achieve the goal - the subc would create those experiences via H&C and Optimus Engine to achieve the goal.

Quote:Once I started having fast sexual encounters, my reality of what is possible changed forever

(08-07-2018, 05:05 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote:

Quote:Once I started having fast sexual encounters, my reality of what is possible changed forever

That's my point. If the sub can manage to produce incremental results over time (which would obviously urge the user to gain experience and learn from them) that's help closing the too large gap between how the user is and how he wants to be.

Quote:Shannon

For all I know this or something similar could already be in DMSI but just wanted to throw it out there. I was just wondering if you've thought about putting partial/staged execution into DMSI, meaning let's take an extreme example and say a guy wakes up from a 10 year coma at the age of 18 and has 0 experience with women, the last thing he remembers about women is sharing his crayons with a classmate. Obviously he'll have some blocks and inexperience to get over in order to reach the final goals of DMSI but maybe he could execute at or +1 step of what he's ready for. So for example instead of DMSI trying to execute "women approach me for sex" it would look more like:

(08-07-2018, 04:51 AM)RTBoss Wrote:

(08-07-2018, 04:47 AM)SargeMaximus Wrote: I agree with Dark Plouf. Once I started having fast sexual encounters, my reality of what is possible changed forever. But before those experiences I assumed everything was just a certain way. No fear involved.

That's what you think. Perhaps you were unable to peg anything that was occurring as fear with your conscious mind - but that doesn't mean your subconscious wasn't absolutely terrified. Just because you didn't observe it or label it consciously, doesn't mean it wasn't there.

Also, your "fast sexual encounters" all occurred while running DMSI, which could easily be Optimus Engine at work.

(08-07-2018, 04:57 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote:

Quote:Are we really here for "realistic?" The whole point of Shannon choosing a goal like DMSI has is to push the boundaries of what's achievable with subliminals. To some, listening to an ultrasonic track - with no consciously discernible words - that gives them sudden relief from a debilitating tendency to put everything off to mañana would be "unrealistic."

This has nothing to do with my point.

Quote:Really, what you're doing, Plouf, is giving reason(s) you haven't executed DMSI, and are projecting it on everyone here, like "It's an 'unrealistic' goal." It's a challenging goal, to be sure, but as Shannon has shown us again and again with myriad subs and success stories for a plethora of people from different backgrounds, an open mind about what's possible would serve everyone here much better. Certainly much better than "reasons" why something cannot be done.

Please read my post once more. Especially these parts:

Quote:What CatMan is saying, that I have also said a few times before is that, for some people (the hard cases, so), the goal of DMSI is too much of a leap.

Quote:The point of CM is that for some people, going from A (I suck so bad with women) to Z (I have an abundant sexual life) is so far out of touch

I'm talking about a precise category of people. Everything is relative, DMSI's goal is clearly not unrealistic for many, but for some it is indeed. All I'm saying in that story is, for those people CM depicted, it's more a matter of gaining incremental experiences than removing fear because as I said, I don't see how they are related. I've also genuinely asked how removing fear would make the leap less wide, still waiting for a genuine answer.

Quote:EDIT: Furthermore, regarding "incremental experiences," - if that were necessary to achieve the goal - the subc would create those experiences via H&C and Optimus Engine to achieve the goal.

As it clearly didn't happen so far, maybe that's something that need to be tweaked or actively worded.
I'm already seeing in the list of the changes planned for 3.3 that Shannon plans to make DMSI's goal more believable for all layers of awareness.
This is what I'm talking about.

Quote:I have a list of additions as long as my arm. lol I want some of them to be a pleasant surprise that I tell you about when I release the program, but a few from the list include...
Prevent unwanted conception.
Improve anti-STD programming.
Make it win-win for the user and the affected to execute.
Improve adjustment of self image to be congruent with what DMSI is attempting to achieve.
Make your actions and choices congruent with celebrity.
Prevent hiring a hooker or an escort to pay your way to sex as an escape from executing DMSI.
Adjust the perception of the goals of the program to make them reasonable, natural, possible.
Modulate the effects of the entire aura to make them non-threatening on a case by case basis.
Improve disconnect from negativity programming.
Communicate to all layers and levels of awareness that you consciously want to achieve the goals of this program, and are giving yourself permission to do so.

I'll stop there. There's a lot more, of course. I have been gathering ideas from the forum discussions for a while now. The really interesting stuff will remain a secret, at least for now.

(08-07-2018, 05:59 AM)DarkPlouf Wrote: Here ya go:

Quote:I have a list of additions as long as my arm. lol I want some of them to be a pleasant surprise that I tell you about when I release the program, but a few from the list include...
Prevent unwanted conception.
Improve anti-STD programming.
Make it win-win for the user and the affected to execute.
Improve adjustment of self image to be congruent with what DMSI is attempting to achieve.
Make your actions and choices congruent with celebrity.
Prevent hiring a hooker or an escort to pay your way to sex as an escape from executing DMSI.
Adjust the perception of the goals of the program to make them reasonable, natural, possible.
Modulate the effects of the entire aura to make them non-threatening on a case by case basis.
Improve disconnect from negativity programming.
Communicate to all layers and levels of awareness that you consciously want to achieve the goals of this program, and are giving yourself permission to do so.

I'll stop there. There's a lot more, of course. I have been gathering ideas from the forum discussions for a while now. The really interesting stuff will remain a secret, at least for now.

(08-07-2018, 08:51 AM)mat422 Wrote: RIP Catman's journal. I think we can all agree our perspectives and beliefs surrounding this stuff are all different. But the main goal is forward progress, so for now I don't think we're getting anywhere except voicing our opinions and cluttering up Catman's space.

Quote:Guys? I think we lost Catman

(08-06-2018, 07:01 PM)CatMan Wrote:

(08-06-2018, 04:53 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-06-2018, 04:00 PM)lano1106 Wrote: ...

Answering this in my journal discussion thread, where you should have asked it.

(08-06-2018, 04:58 PM)Zane Wrote: For a moment I thought this was discussion thread

LMAO.

Reminds me of my old journal, where there were massive derails often. Sometimes like 3-4 completely separate and unrelated in any way, conversations (read: arguments, lol...) going on in it. Lol!!

People coming in and saying stuff like "man, CatMan has posted like 3 times, and we're already on the 4th damn page, LMAO!!!"

XD

I'm glad my posts can sometimes garner discussions and insight etc. helps advance the programs in the end. All good things .

I mean it's better than me posting huge novels about stuff in my mind, and people being like:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87Ba9yb83JY

(08-07-2018, 08:51 AM)mat422 Wrote: RIP Catman's journal. I think we can all agree our perspectives and beliefs surrounding this stuff are all different. But the main goal is forward progress, so for now I don't think we're getting anywhere except voicing our opinions and cluttering up Catman's space.

(08-07-2018, 08:53 AM)Zane Wrote: Guys? I think we lost Catman