(08-26-2025, 10:10 AM)4Kingdoms Wrote: https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-Shannon-s-Journal-Volume-3?pid=269466#pid269466

Shannon Wrote:I am currently in the design phase for AM 7. I am also working on DMSI v5.1, which was only the addition of the DRS, and workingon the instructions for that. Since AM will take me months, I will be working on other titles in the mean time.

Next up is Optimal Physical Healing, because it's one of the runners up, and because I need it myself.

I'll be publishing DMSI v5.1 as soon as I get the instructions done.

Speaking of that, modeling reveals that DMSI and DMSI v5.0 and 5.1 actually need not two, but three sets of instructions: Normal, Hard Case and Extreme Hard Case, for everyone to get the best out of these programs. I'll be updating the instructions for v5.0 when I have the information.

Shannon Wrote:I think you guys are going to really like the next one I build also.

(08-26-2025, 05:03 PM)Shannon Wrote: To clarify something, "toxic masculinity" is actually a valid term, and it's original meaning was concerning masculine traits that cause a man to self harm as a result of taking things too far or in an unhealthy direction; for example, repression of his emotions to the degree that it is unhealthy for him, or being violent in a genuinely unnecessary and or abusive manner.  Unfortunately, this term has been subverted by certain groups to attempt to manipulate men into guilt/shame/fear of their own masculinity, which has only made things worse and muddied the water.

"Toxic masculinity" originally was primarily concerned with men taking things too far and causing themselves harm in the process.  Because of the subversion, it has become a useless term, IMO, because now it's definition does not match what it was originally focused on, and it has been weaponized. 

Alpha Male is not going to result in self harm to those who use it.  It is actually aimed at the reverse, bringing a man into self empowerment and helping him find the balance of self respect, sense of self worth, self esteem, refusal to be manipulated or taken advantage of, etc. Part of the early journey with that is going to be inner healing work.  So no worried about "toxic masculinity" in the original sense of the word.  However, those who define "toxic masculinity" in a way that is aimed at manipulating, shaming and or guilting men simply for being masculine or trying to focus into their masculinity will surely take issue with what AM7 is aimed to be.  After all, the real reason behind the  subversion of the term is to achieve and maintain control of men, and genuine masculinity is strongly in favor of a man being in control of himself, including what he does and believes, instead of handing that power to someone (or something) else (as seems to currently be the objective of previously mentioned certain groups).

Quote:bringing a man into self empowerment and helping him find the balance of self respect, sense of self worth, self esteem, refusal to be manipulated or taken advantage of, etc. Part of the early journey with that is going to be inner healing work.

(08-26-2025, 07:16 PM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-26-2025, 06:24 PM)Catman Wrote: Thank you for the new listening mode for V5.0/V5.1, @Shannon.

Is there an update for V5.0's new listening regimen, yet?

I ask because the listening cycle is back on in a couple hours or so and I tend to like to listen when the day change happens because I have had uninterrupted time then reliably.

I am working on the extreme cases now, but it is likely to be sometime tomorrow when I am finished.

(08-26-2025, 09:32 PM)Johannesbrst Wrote: Sorry for stirring up such a debacle — that wasn’t my intention. I think the reason for my reaction was that the phrasing gave me associations I normally link with the Andrew Tate style of messaging, which feels very far from what I usually associate with you and your work. Just thought I’d share that in case it’s useful to keep in mind for the future, if you’d prefer to avoid others having a similar reaction.

(08-27-2025, 07:50 AM)Catman Wrote:

(08-26-2025, 07:16 PM)Shannon Wrote: I am working on the extreme cases now, but it is likely to be sometime tomorrow when I am finished.

Hello again, @Shannon, 

Just thought I'd check in to see where we're at with the new listening regimen cycle for 5.0?

I've held off listening today because things weren't wrapped up late last night so I wanted to start fresh with it on the new cycle.

Thanks a lot of it. I hope 5.1 is coming along well too!

(08-26-2025, 09:47 AM)Shannon Wrote:

(08-26-2025, 04:46 AM)callie Wrote: I think you’re conflating two things here. Getting to "zero" is not about becoming neutral or bland, it’s about removing the distortions of fear, guilt, shame, and other maladaptions so your authentic self can actually come through. When those layers are gone, expression isn’t flat, it becomes clear, intuitive, natural and often strongly masculine in men (and feminine in women). Masculinity is not something you "achieve". It’s not a state you reach by conquering something. Masculinity is an inherent part of every male. You don’t add masculinity on top of zero, rather the full expression of it will naturally be there once you let go of distortions that are born out of trauma in some form. Also, removing your baggage doesn’t automatically make you enlightened either, the two aren’t synonymous. Plenty of so called enlightened people still carry all kinds of dysfunction and trauma

Perhaps its just me that doesn't understand the idea of AM7. But if you try to "add on" polarity or masculinity over unresolved trauma, it risks becoming compensation. That’s why I question the idea of it. Just layering a "masculine" identity over unhealed parts will only create more toxic masculinity and ultimately more suffering to oneself imo

Your understanding is not correct here, Callie.  Removing the chains does not make a slave into a captain of industry.

As a man who has been a man for many decades, I can speak confidently that masculinity is both an inherent state and something that you achieve.  Masculinity is partly biological, and partly something that is learned from role models and environment.  If you remove the false and faulty teachings that attack and minimize a male's masculinity, he is left free to advance, but does not inherently or automatically become some magical expression of his natural potential for masculinity.  He must understand himself, and his potential, and work towards developing that part of himself.  It is often through challenge and difficulty that a boy (or an adult male) becomes a man in the sense of what I am referring to here.  

The point of Alpha Male training is to take a male from where he is when he starts, be that at 0 or somewhere along the lines past that on the scale of his potential for his own masculinity, and advance him to becoming an "acendant alpha male", which definition can be found here: 

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-What-is-an-Ascendant-Alpha

(08-27-2025, 10:49 AM)callie Wrote:

(08-26-2025, 09:47 AM)Shannon Wrote: Your understanding is not correct here, Callie.  Removing the chains does not make a slave into a captain of industry.

As a man who has been a man for many decades, I can speak confidently that masculinity is both an inherent state and something that you achieve.  Masculinity is partly biological, and partly something that is learned from role models and environment.  If you remove the false and faulty teachings that attack and minimize a male's masculinity, he is left free to advance, but does not inherently or automatically become some magical expression of his natural potential for masculinity.  He must understand himself, and his potential, and work towards developing that part of himself.  It is often through challenge and difficulty that a boy (or an adult male) becomes a man in the sense of what I am referring to here.  

The point of Alpha Male training is to take a male from where he is when he starts, be that at 0 or somewhere along the lines past that on the scale of his potential for his own masculinity, and advance him to becoming an "acendant alpha male", which definition can be found here: 

https://subliminal-talk.com/Thread-What-is-an-Ascendant-Alpha

Ok, fair enough. Maybe I’m talking about a different thing here. Just to clarify what I mean by trauma though, as its broader than just the common clinical view. When I say trauma, I don’t mean false and faulty teachings, although those often fall away as a consequense. I’m talking about all the blockages and patterns, whether small or big, that diminish your felt sense of self and distort the natural expression of who you are. Not just blockages accumulated in this lifetime, but also those carried through genetic memory in our ancestral lineage. I realize that may sound a bit abstract, and from what I know of you, you may not agree with that perspective. But I’ve seen a few people clear it completely, which is no small task, and the result is how I would personally define someone as a "real alpha" (though I find the label kinda cringe to put on humans), with unshakable confidence and groundedness. That said, I can admit there’s probably more to what you call an “ascendant alpha”

Shannon Wrote:I am having a very hard time getting a lock on the run time for DMSI v5 on extreme hard cases.

Not terribly surprising. Bear with me.